VBBI Debate on Bucking Time for 2 Year Olds

[mcguirecattleco]

The VBBI is considering changing the bucking time for its two year old competition from 6 seconds of bucking time to 5 seconds. The purpose of the proposed change is to further reduce the stress on young bulls so that we can see more two year old futurity bulls excel at the Classic competitions and beyond. The VBBI wants to know your thoughts about the pros and cons of doing so.

Please note that the bucking time for the VBBI's April 18, 2008 futurity is 6 seconds for two year olds and 4 seconds for yearlings. If the VBBI elects to change the bucking time, it will not do so until after the current event.

We look forward to your input.

[JustinCrawford]

clint i wouldnt change it due to the fact that at all other events its 6 seconds and that could mess a bull up in my opinion. i know when starting the bulls you work up to the 6 seconds. I dont think its the bucking time hurting the bulls going to the classic events, i think its being bucked at all of the different events. This is just my opinion though

[Marshall]

I don't enter alot of futuritys and am no big time bull man . I did enter your first futurity and will again . I would say that it's not the 6 seconds but the number of times bucked . I think some folks buck to many time during training period . You wanted our thoughts , take mine for what they are worth , not much . Marshall

[joe rose]

Dont shorten the time, you asked . The number of times bucked is far more detrimental to a young bull than duration of trip.Question, do you require a quick release flank? My partners somewhat disagree with them,I am willing to to use either.

[diamondj]

If you allow video's from other futurities to be used then it need's to stay at 6 seconds. Because that's what they will buck for. And the playing field should be even. It isn't even the bucking, but the miles. And isn't that why you started this thing?

[mcguirecattleco]

Jeff,

I agree with you that it is the miles put on the bulls that is really hard on the bulls. We are just looking at additional means to reduce the stress on bulls and wanted to get some outside input. I appreciate you and everyone else taking the time to provide some feedback for us.

I have seen some excellent calves you have sold and hope you will enter one from your program soon.

Thanks again.

[diamondj]

Clint i'm working on getting a partner to pay the fee's so i can enter. I have 2 two yr old's and 3-4 yearling's i'd like to see play.

[threeb]

6 seconds unless you want to cut out all NBBA and ABBI entries.

[mcguirecattleco]

Wes,

Right now it looks like the court of public opinion is that 6 seconds is the way to go.

If the decision was made to reduce the bucking time to 5 seconds, which it hasn't been, we contemplated just having the judges score the first 5 seconds of a trip from a video taken at an ABBI or NBBA event. Again, we haven't made the decision, we just wanted to get everyone's input.

I know you have some excellent futurity calves in your string. I hope to see one or more them soon in a VBBI event.

Thanks for the response.

[Jimmy Crowther]

I personally think 4 to 5 seconds is all a 2 year old calf needs to be bucked. Bucking a 2 yr. old for 6 seconds is the equivilent to bucking an adult bull for 8 seconds. The problem with all 2 yr. old futurities is that the bull never gets to win. You take an adult bull and he gets rode every time he sticks his head out, most won't last long. I personally think that him getting rode every time is harder on him than the miles. I also don't think you should be able to video an ABBI or NBBA event and use the same video to enter a VBBI event. The results from those events are already posted before the VBBI event and I think too many judges could be influenced by the results. These are just my opinions and I will abide by whatever rules the majority wants and continue to support the VBBI.
Thank you Clint. I think it is a great concept and I appreciate all the work that Clint and crew have done to provide us this opportunity.
Thank you.
Jimmy Crowther
2614 27th Ave
Gypsum, KS 67448
785-452-5503 c
785-254-7385 h

[threeb]

Clint,
I plan to possibly enter some later on. I for one like to go to the events and compete. It's fun for me. If I could kill two birds with one stone so to speak and video them at an NBBA event, I could avoid putting another trip on the bulls at home to enter the video deal. Just my thoughts. Thanks to you guys for stepping up and providing another way to compete.

[M_Wilfong]

:iagree: (I meant agree with JIMMY CROWTHERS!) We don't buck our calves any longer than that.

[Brian Gifford]

I personally think 4 to 5 seconds is all a 2 year old calf needs to be bucked. Bucking a 2 yr. old for 6 seconds is the equivilent to bucking an adult bull for 8 seconds. The problem with all 2 yr. old futurities is that the bull never gets to win. You take an adult bull and he gets rode every time he sticks his head out, most won't last long. I personally think that him getting rode every time is harder on him than the miles. I also don't think you should be able to video an ABBI or NBBA event and use the same video to enter a VBBI event. The results from those events are already posted before the VBBI event and I think too many judges could be influenced by the results. These are just my opinions and I will abide by whatever rules the majority wants and continue to support the VBBI.
Thank you Clint. I think it is a great concept and I appreciate all the work that Clint and crew have done to provide us this opportunity.
Thank you.
Jimmy Crowther
2614 27th Ave
Gypsum, KS 67448
785-452-5503 c
785-254-7385 h

The bareback riding has evolved into a style that results in many of the top guys riding nearly all of their horses. It's basically evolved into a riggin ridin of the mentality that you pull all you can get and bind your hand in where it won't come out.

It takes a really great horse to make a mediocre horse in the PRCA, when they are getting rode 90% of the time. Always exceptions but a lot of good horses wash out of the bareback riding, after being rode the majority of the time.