Registered name changes and confusion.

[manncreekniece]

I had an issue recently with a couple heifers I have that show a specific sire on their certificates. This bull has changed hands and the new owner has changed his name and now records at ABBI don't match my certificates. I know I can get replacement certificates easy enough, but my real concern is how this practice can cause confusionto prospective calf buyers, etc. My question is do any of you think that this is an ok practice, or wouldn't it be better if when a name is changed the certificates say "Sire X AKA Sire Z"? Just a thought, and wondering if any of you have experienced this and what problems might have resulted.

[G._Walker]

I think they should handle this just like all other registries and register the names too. AQHA asks for three choices and you get one that is not being used and then it stays with that animal for life.

[Elbow Creek Cattle Co.]

AQHA asks for three choices and you get one that is not being used and then it stays with that animal for life.



AQHA will let you change a registered name for a fee. I talked to them about changing the name on my stud colt.

I think it is confusing because I was looking at semen on Crown of Thorns and there was a link to his papers but the papers had a different name on them.

Sidney

[G._Walker]

Hi Sidney....
Shows how long it has been since I have done business with the AQHA,
at least they register names. I still think the ABBI should do that too…..

[Elbow Creek Cattle Co.]

I think ABBI should do it also since sometimes different ranchers will have the same Id or ear tag number come up in their sequence.

AQHA has made a lot of changes in the last few years that I dont necessarily agree with like the White rule being changed. Now you have horses that are double registered as paint and as quarter horse when prior they were 2 seperate breeds. I was at a AQHA show and there was a gelding being shown in the reining. He was a palomino with white socks and a big white spot on his gaskin. I started talking to the rider oafter the class and said I didnt know it was an open class. She said it was not an open class and that the horse was registered with AQHA. In years past the white above the gaskin would have disqualified him from being registered with AQHA. THe girl told me that basically AQHA said if they gelded him they could register him but as a stallion they could not, so she gelded him and registered him.

AQHA also says now you can reuse the name of deceased horses. This is confusing also!

[manncreekniece]

Thank you for your opinions. I just think that this is going to be a mess, especially since the bull business is growing so fast. The heifers I have are just now coming 2 and now their papers (that I currently have in my possession) are virtually useless information because the sire is listed different than what ABBI shows. The ID# is still the same, but none of us in this business recall a bull and his pedigree by an 8 digit number. I know from registereing Australian Shepherds for the past 10 years, that once that name is registered, that's it! That's his/her name. You can call him anything you want, but his/her papers are final.

[Jennie Shippy]

His # brand should be the same-unless they rebranded him. People change bull's names all the time. It stinks but thats the way it is. What is really dumb is when one is named after a great one......Names like Skat Kat, Bodacious, Mudslinger, their names should be permanently retired along with them;)

[G._Walker]

:iagree:What Jennie said........:D

[manncreekniece]

The number brand is pretty vague, though, also. Everyone out there breeding bulls could have a 100 or a 500. When we are talking to prospective buyers, for example, we say things like "I have a Fred the Bull daughter", and the number brand is never mentioned. I'm not concerned about fraud or anything like that, I just think that when a name is changed (I understand the reason people choose to do it.) the new certificates should say (new name) George the Bull AKA (old name) Fred the Bull. At least this would make existing papers look legitimate and prove that my cattle are who I say they are.

[tiltedjug]

I agree Jennie, it is confusing enough now with several bulls having the same name and it is only going to get worse with greater numbers of cattle being registered. I hope the ABBI will take this into consideration and adopt some rules regarding name duplications and name changes.

[-MR Cattle]

Why not re-apply for new certificates.:cigar:

[manncreekniece]

I have. That's not a problem. I jut think that if a name is changed then the former name should be on the certificates as well. I'm not being picky, as the revised registrations are not a problem to get. I'm just thinking that this is going to cause a lot of confusion down the road since as breeders we all refer to their "names" more than we do their numbers or breeders.