WHERE ARE THEY NOW???

[CashCattleCompany]

HERRINGTON CATTLE COMPANY HAD A BULL SEVERAL YEARS BACK NAMED DILLINGER. I KNOW HE SUFFERED A CAREER ENDING INJURY, BUT IS HE STILL ALIVE. WHAT WAS THE INJURY AND IS ANYONE BREEDING TO HIM WITH ANY SUCCESS?

[wild bill]

he was only a black white face stockyard bull that bucked. he had no bloodlines in him

[hard eight]

I BELIVE IT WAS A HIND LEG OR BACK INJURY, ROBBIE STILL HAD HIM AT THE RANCH A COUPLE OF YEARS BACK, I GUESS HE STILL DOES. I'VE HEARD OF A FEW OF HIS CALVES THAT BUCKED, BUT I DON'T THINK HE WAS BRED TO VERY MUCH.

[gmedley]

Dillinger is is dead but i don't know for how long now. I called about semen last year & Mr. Herrington told me.He does have a limited amount on him. He was sure enough RANK.

[CashCattleCompany]

Dillinger is is dead but i don't know for how long now. I called about semen last year & Mr. Herrington told me.He does have a limited amount on him. He was sure enough RANK.

DOES ANYONE HAVE A VIDEO OF HIM BUCKING?

[DJF]

He has been dead since 2004

[Summerrain]

Dillinger suffered a leg injury at a PBR even about 3 or so yrs ago, he had surgery and did ok, but couldnt buck again, they were using him as a breeding bull, he did pass away like Dusty said. I have a pic of him if I can find it, but no video. I have seen him buck and he was rank and not given the credit I think he should of got. If he hadnt got hurt, no telling where his career would have been.

[DJF]

What happend was that Dillingers leg got to hurting him more and more were he could not walk

[Flyin Y]

I believe he come from the gays, I Thank Donnie Gay talk about him coming from his Dad . Don

[BloydBuckingBulls]

Yeah, Dillinger was another great bull that was sale barn breeding top and bottom. They are still out there. The sire to a couple of the bulls that sold at the PBR sale a few weeks ago, Sgt. Speck(AKA Twilight Zone), was another great bull that came straight from the sale barn. Little Speck and Big Speck sold for quite a few thousand dollars. $9000.00 and $6000.00 I believe.

[hard eight]

I BELIEVE WHEN THE TROUBLE STARTED WITH DILLINGER IS WHEN THEY TIED A BACK FOOT IN THE CHUTE TO KEEP HIM FROM JUMPING, AND HE HAD A WRECK WITH ADRIANO AT THE PBR FINALS. NOT SURE ?????

[Robles Bucking Bulls]

From what I remeber is he stuck a hind leg through the chute gate and layed down and it snapped

[DJF]

From what I remeber is he stuck a hind leg through the chute gate and layed down and it snapped

Thats what happend

[mst33]

Yeah, Dillinger was another great bull that was sale barn breeding top and bottom. They are still out there. The sire to a couple of the bulls that sold at the PBR sale a few weeks ago, Sgt. Speck(AKA Twilight Zone), was another great bull that came straight from the sale barn. Little Speck and Big Speck sold for quite a few thousand dollars. $9000.00 and $6000.00 I believe.


Lance,
Do you know who baught Sgt. Speck (AKA Twilight Zone)?

[Summerrain]

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g61/summerrain114/dillenger.jpg

[Summerrain]

This is a still shot taken off a video the night Dillinger injured himself. The red circle is his hoof sticking out of the gate.. not a great pic, but gives you an ideal..

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g61/summerrain114/704735153_1460a392b9a.jpg

[W rafter H]

2X PBR BUCKING BULL OF THE YEAR!!!!

[rockinwestcattleco]

And of course the Brazilions got the blame for it all. Them and their supposed "soaking":rolleyes::beatdeadhorse::bs:

[Max]

Showing my ignorance here, but what is "soaking"?

[The Whit]

Its where a rider pulls his rope extremely tight and takes way too long in the chute. The bulls can barely breath, and sometimes dont buck to their full ability

[hairy]

Erik,
Your sure rite,they they got the blame and sould have.
I think it was Edini(sp) not Adraino.
I was there.


PGH:mad::mad::mad:

[-MR Cattle]

It was :shooting:Paulo Crimber.

[BigLRodeo]

Those Brazillians and their basakerds ropes have ruined more good bulls than most people will ever own. Just my thoughts don't take them to the bank.

[Bullaholic]

It was Ednei, I have it on video. It just goes to show what the brazilians can do to the great ones.

[joe shaw]

from what i remember about Dillinger he was always real bad in the box
im not disputing that the Brazilians take to long in the chute and from what iv seen a lot of them do pull the rope extra tight but i dont understand how the rope being backwards could do anymore damage than a regular bull rope

[Bullaholic]

Joe that is true, but when dillinger broke his leg, He was standing perfect. I am not sure what ednei did but something caused him to jump in the chute. But thats just from what I saw on tv.

[W rafter H]

Brazilian ropes do ruin alot off bull.

BUT Dillinger used to just kick in the chute like that all the time. That is why he was so dangerous in the bucking chute. Do any of you remeber Dillinger knocking out that American bull rider when he kicked up in the bucking chute. He was so bad that they used to tie his feet. I think blaming a Brazilian is reaching alittle on this one.

[BloydBuckingBulls]

Lance,
Do you know who baught Sgt. Speck (AKA Twilight Zone)?

As far as I know, if he's still alive, he's still at Mike Adam's place down there near Salado. I don't think he could still be alive though. Last time I saw him in 2004 he was all drawn up. Probably 15 years old or so. I wouldn't doubt if that bull had some bucking bull blood in him, but he came straight out of the sale barn. That bull took a while to come around though. He made it to the NFR and the PBR finals though. Mike had a lot of nice calves out of him. Wouldn't ever sell me a single heifer though. He was pretty greedy with his bloodlines.

[BloydBuckingBulls]

I was just watching 99 NFR with Dillinger on there. He about knocked Mike (can't remember his last name)'s teeth out in the chute. He was bad in the box.

[Summerrain]

Found this.. theres a photo of one of his heifers that was on the auction..
http://www.thebreedersconnection.com/lot985

[Summerrain]

found this information on Dillinger on the net


Dillinger
Dillinger was voted the 2000 Bull of the Year by an almost unanimous vote. As of November 2000, Dillinger had been ridden only twice in his entire career as a PBR bucking bull. World Champion Chris Shivers successfully rode him last March for 96 points in a Mossy Oak Shoot Out in Fort Worth. Brazilian Ednei Caminhas covered the 2,000 pound, black, bald-faced bull for 94.5 points during the first round of the 2000 Bud Light Cup World Championships last October in Las Vegas. According to PBR Livestock Director Cody Lambert, Dillinger has everything it takes to be a great bucking bull.

"He jumps high, kicks hard and spins fast. He's big, strong and athletic. If Dillinger has any faults, the only one I can see is his attitude in the chute. They have to tie a rope above his head to keep him from jumping out of the chute. I think the only reason Dillinger does this is to intimidate the rider, but if you've ever seen him buck, that's intimidating enough," says Lambert.

Any ride over 90 points is considered an outstanding one, and, because half of the points for a ride are based on the quality of the bull, Dillinger is truly one of the PBR's best. He is a 23 point bull, which means that when a judge gives him a score, it averages 23 points out of a possible 25 points. With two judges scoring each ride, this means an average combined score for Dillinger is around 46 points - an incredibly high mark for a bull.

Dillinger, who tied for the title of "Best Bull of the 1999 PBR World Championships," only bucks at Bud Light Cup Series events, which means only the best bull riders in the world even get a chance to try and ride him. He is ridden successfully only 6% of the time. That stat alone says a lot about the caliber of this bull.

[Stanton]

The story that I heard is that Neal Gay brought Dillinger at an auction in South Texas for 50 cents a pound. Then he sold him to the Herrington Cattle Company for $50,000.

Stanton

[Zip]

He definitely came from Mesquite Rodeo, because I saw him there, and he looked pretty good to ride when he was young! He was a good one to draw at that rodeo.

Now when he grew up.... not that nice.

[bullpen]

Not that nice? Ask Payson Thygerson how nice he was, the PBR uses the film of his crash lots of times.:rofl:

[rebelrodeobulls]

Dillinger came from three rivers auction. That day there were several good looking bulls ,but when Neals buyers got on one just sit on your hands cause you don't have enought money to out bid them if they wanted one.I don't remember what he cost exactly ,but it was more than 50 cents. If you watch the whole tape of the day he broke his leg you'll see someone walk by and poke him threw the chute gate .That person told me later thats when he kicked and broke his leg..
Mike Adams and I were partners for a couple years before he went to work for Vernon. Spec. came from Lampases (sp) sale barn. He had no bucking breeding.

[charlie]

I talked to Bud Lane about a month ago and Spec was still alive and they had collected him because he was so old and just a matter of time before he dies.
Just because they dont have a bloodline dont mean they dont buck it helps the odds but that is about all.

[mst33]

As far as I know, if he's still alive, he's still at Mike Adam's place down there near Salado. I don't think he could still be alive though. Last time I saw him in 2004 he was all drawn up. Probably 15 years old or so. I wouldn't doubt if that bull had some bucking bull blood in him, but he came straight out of the sale barn. That bull took a while to come around though. He made it to the NFR and the PBR finals though. Mike had a lot of nice calves out of him. Wouldn't ever sell me a single heifer though. He was pretty greedy with his bloodlines.


Lance,
Was there ever blood pulled on Sgt. Speck to issue a ABBI # ? Does he have any offspring regestered with the ABBI ? I guess at 15+ years he should have something out there ?

Thanks again, Michael

[charlie]

Lance not trying to cut in on you but his they ran blood on him again because we were having trouble not matching what the ABBI gave us for a # because there were several Sgt Spec.
The ABBI # for Spec that Mike Addams had is 10049765 as of 7/23/07 when Bud Lane had it done to confirm the blood on him. I hope this helps Brandon and me spent about six months trying to get paper right on a heifer that I got from Mike.

[BloydBuckingBulls]

thats awesome that hes still alive. he looked bad when i saw him a few years ago. it wouldn't surprise me if he wasn't a rodeo bred bull. i know he came from a sle barn, but that doesnt mean he wasnt born of rodeo stock somewhere. a lot of folks send yearlings through when the feed bill comes. ya just never know. he just doesnt look like your typical beef bull that just happened to buck, he looks like he was bred to do it. i'd love to have a few straws if you could put me in touch.

[BloydBuckingBulls]

Lance,
Was there ever blood pulled on Sgt. Speck to issue a ABBI # ? Does he have any offspring regestered with the ABBI ? I guess at 15+ years he should have something out there ?

Thanks again, Michael

I know they sold 2 at the Pbr finals sale, but they werent reg sons. they got a bunch for them. looks like charlie has a reg daughter...........sorry people, were talking about a different bull on your dillinger post.

[mst33]

I guess I should first apologize for getting off of the Dillinger thread ? Sorry bout that.

Thanks for the info Lance, Charlie,

I know a feller with some Sgr. Spec daughters. We were discussing there breeding and what might be a good out cross, also if they would be a good foundation blood line start.
I have never seen a pic of Sgr. Speck. If you had to guess, would you say he had a strong Mexican Knife Fighting Bull heritage, or a strong helping of Brahman cross? These daughters have high heads, flat horns, lots of leg. They carry their heads with their chin tucked close to their neck. They will come to you, even if you aint got a feed bucket.

Thanks again for the information.

Charlie if you could get a couple straws for Lance, would you share the love ? :adore:

[BloydBuckingBulls]

I guess I should first apologize for getting off of the Dillinger thread ? Sorry bout that.

Thanks for the info Lance, Charlie,

I know a feller with some Sgr. Spec daughters. We were discussing there breeding and what might be a good out cross, also if they would be a good foundation blood line start.
I have never seen a pic of Sgr. Speck. If you had to guess, would you say he had a strong Mexican Knife Fighting Bull heritage, or a strong helping of Brahman cross? These daughters have high heads, flat horns, lots of leg. They carry their heads with their chin tucked close to their neck. They will come to you, even if you aint got a feed bucket.

Thanks again for the information.

Charlie if you could get a couple straws for Lance, would you share the love ? :adore:

I've got a pic of me on him from 1996. and i've got some of him lying in the pasture in 2004. i'll see if i can get em on sometime. i'd guess him to be some longhorn/brahmer type cross, like most rodeo looking bulls.

[BloydBuckingBulls]

Here's a video of Sgt. Speck from the 97 NFR when Mike was hauling him with Vernon. Later the bull was hauled to Bad Company Rodeos and called Twilight Zone. This is the bull we were talking about that came from the Lampasas sale barn. This is one of the first bulls I ever got on in a practice pen. He didn't buck like this when he was young. He just showed a lot of try and Mike Adams had an eye for them. This bull got bucked 2 times a night a lot of times as a 2-3 year old and just got better and better each time. www.bloydbuckingbulls.com/sgt speck.wmv

[Quarter "K"]

There is a PBR DVD called "Bred for Greatness" that showcasses several top bulls from the Pages, Bergers and Herrington. It contains several videos of Dillinger including the one where he broke his leg. This DVD was well worth what we paid for it. We found it on Amazon.

[WalkerJ-W]

I remember being at the Ft.Worth stock show when Dillinger jumped out of the chutes and got in the hallway and started running over everybody. It was the only time i've been at an indoor event where it was safer in the arena than it was in the stands lol... He was an outlaw

[bullpen]

Jeremy, the way I remember it, he hurt a few people hit the popcorn stand and had not Frank Newsom hung on to his tail and wore him down they were going to shoot him and never got to see the great bull he latter became.

[D-L]

so has anyone breed to dillinger with success. I e-mailed herringtons about 3 months ago asking about semen and he told me they weren't gone to sell any at this time.

[richard]

I watched a longhorn sale barn bull buck yesteday that will fit in most programs ,one bucking dude

[Rafter 4T Rodeo Co]

watch on versus for pbr total bull on the weekends, they did a special on him. tells the whole story, and has good footage. one good sucker!!

[justafan]

I wish they'd bring back those "Total Bull" shows (new ones, I mean). Was that show a special contract with Bret Haber? Or could someone else take over? I know McKee did a lot of the bull-specific shows, while Haber seemed to focus on the rides/wrecks shows at the end of each season. I was very disappointed in the show that was on GAC this past weekend hosted by Ty and Jewell. Number one, the season isn't over, so how can it be a complete showing of the best rides and worst wrecks of 2008? And Ty, while absolutely one of the greatest men to ever pull a bull rope, just doesn't have the sparkle needed for commentary--especially by himself. Jewell, too--beautiful woman with a great singing voice--not so much the right personality for TV hosting/commentary.

On the subject of Dillinger, while his injury and ultimate demise were way too soon and a terrible tragedy, who was sitting on his back the night of the injury is purely coincidental. While Ednei may or may not have soaked lots of bulls in his career, it was known that Dillinger misbehaved in the chutes all the time. He kicked when someone poked him in the behind with the corner of a clipboard to get him to stand properly. Simply a tragic ACCIDENT. Ednei is no more responsible for Dillinger's injury/death than JB Mauney is for Cat Daddy's career-ending injury or Brian Herman for Mako's tragic injury/death.

[RAFTER WK]

I agree... bad things happen, and If hed a hovered and nodded, no one knows what might have happened. Ill bet you a dollar to a hole in a donut, it was a severe case of the wrong place at the wrong time. In short... great bull, great rider- anyone disagree???