How many unregistered 2008 Calves?

[JeremyWillis]

Just wonder who all has 2008 calves that they did not register?
We ship ours to a cutting horse ranch after we wean/brand/vaccinate them. Ususally dont get them back until they are about 14-15 months old.
I just remebered I have 14 really nice 2008 calves over there that I haven't done anything with.

How many do you guys have?

[Chad Brinkley]

9

[badbulls]

I have around forty,but will wait till they are at least two yr olds before I register them at the $ 23 dollar cost. :pop:

[joe rose]

All of them too much winter and no real benefit.

[Keith Strickland]

none i reg all of mind that i kept becasue abbi siad to have them done within the year of birth

[Gerald German]

I have about 60 head that were not reg. They will not be reg. until they are all gone through and the ones that buck, heifers and all, will then have the 250 spent on them to reg. This 09 year will be done a little different, calves will be bled at branding time and bloodcards sent off. Learn something new everyday

[SoTxJim]

16 not registered................New owners can tho, If they want to.

[Summerrain]

Jeremy maybe you could add a poll on this , example
number of unregisterd calves, then put the poll

1-10
11-20
21-30

and so on :)

[badbulls]

We don't keep ours in 10 acre traps were we can pen the 40 or so late 2008 calves. Little more to it for us to get late calves. The ABBI doesn't run our business. Not worth the trouble.:pop:

[LGilmore]

About 45 that are turned out on wheat right now. We'll wait and see how they turn out.

[Cino]

We don't keep ours in 10 acre traps were we can pen the 40 or so late 2008 calves. Little more to it for us to get late calves. The ABBI doesn't run our business. Not worth the trouble.:pop:

you mean you don't call them up and ask for their opinion on how to run your operation:cigar:

[Danton Bucking Bulls]

9. It was pouring down rain when we brought them in. Not too good for bleeding. Turned them out and havn't touched them since. That rain cost me $1800 bucks. Doesn't quite seam right but hey, thats the rules I guess. Welcome to raising cattle in Western Washington. Just curious, why is that the rule anyway. Why not have to registar them by age 18 months or it goes up? It would keep the culls out.

[Beck Farms Bucking Bulls]

We have 14-16 and honestly its all our fault we just totally forgot. Not real sure how I like the new rule change but rules are rules and if you don't follow them you gotta pay and pay big. Just hoping when we sell a few and that will help pay the outrageous price to register calves that might not even be old enough to ween before having to register them.

[Matt Palmer]

we probably have around 65 - 70 and they will not be reg as long as im feeedeing them I cant aford papers and feed both

[HGS]

12, HS

[Marshall]

ZERO !! NONE !! That's how many I will register ! ABBI mess makes me :puke: !!

[jambull]

50 HEAD I'M LIKE OLE BOB THEY DON'T RUN MY BUSNESS EITHER, I ALSO FEEL LIKE MARSHALL.I DON'T BELIEVE IN REWARDING THEM FOR GREED WITH MY MONEY!

[Hinail]

We have 14

[JeremyWillis]

btt

[JustinBrown]

The horse industry has been around a whole lot longer than the ABBI and they don't rake you over the coals money wise. Got 5 youngsters and some 2 and 3 and 4 yr olds yet to be registered. glad to see that some others are not letting them run your business and that there are still futurities that don't require it.

[mike carreon]

My thoughts are if you put a bull up for sale and he bucks, he will bring money. Never seen a solid 22-23pt bull no one wanted because he wasn't registered. Papers mean something to some folks ( unproven bulls don't mean much to me ) obviously, there is always something going for a bunch because of the sire / dam. Then they get home and buck him / or breed him and hes worth what the packers are paying. If papers guaranteed anything it would be an easy business to make money in.

I know what I have and who its out of. I also cull very hard. I'm not registering hamburg. I will back the breeding on anything I have if YOU want to register them. Again I think if you produce buckers the buyers will still pay for them. This is the reason we are not ABBI members. We have had the check laying on the counter many of times but I can never convince myself that there is a benefit to us by joining. Maybe someday my feelings will change, but for now this is how I feel.

[Shrimp]

reading these posts make me wonder why I am trying to make a go of it as a breeder. I only run about 25 cows. I had no idea there were that many guys out there having 50+ calves a year.

[JC Childress]

I registered all but about 3 calves and thats because its nobodys fault but mine !

I know a lot of folks wanna bash the ABBI and everything about them. I cant say that I agree with everything that they do, but I dont agree 100% with anyone. I think the good points by far outweigh the bad. If it were not for the ABBI, how would anyone verify what any calf is out of ? I know sometimes they make mistakes and its aggrivating but I dont care who you are, you cant deny that they have dramatically helped increase the value of our animals and the purses for aged competitions has increased like crazy. Sure, there are events for non-registered animals....but compare what you win to an ABBI event.

This is just my opinion and I know lots will disagree but thats whats great about America. I wish the best of luck to all of ya'll, whether it be in an open event or ABBI event. As far as I'm concerned, I support the open deals and the sanctioned deals. Everytime a bull bucks anywhere, I think its good for us all.

[JeremyWillis]

The ABBI has been great for our industry, lets be honest if it were not for the ABBI we would not be where we are today.

The problem is that in the last year or so they have became more interested in trying to make money than growing our industry. Again to be fair that is their job, as with any corporation the board’s priority is increasing the value of the shareholders stock. This is not a bad thing this is capitalism. Where the ABBI has gone wrong is with the board, they seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of basic business concepts. Maximizing profits requires not only retaining your current customers but also increasing you customer base; the only way to do this is by building customer loyalty and to do this you need to offer VALUE and CUSTOMER SERVICE. These two elements are imperative. The problem with the ABBI and it board is that they apparently feel these are not necessary in a monopolized environment. This is not a new concept it has been tried and has failed time and time again. The sucsseful players seem to find a way to increase profits while benfiting its industry through growth and new development. The dying gasp for a company throughout history is when they stop trying to expand and just focus on milking it current customers.

The good news is that the ABBI has been very successful in building a NEED for an alternative to itself. The stage is set for competition; I think that the idea that there can never be any competition for the ABBI is about to be tested.

[LOG HAULER]

We don't keep ours in 10 acre traps were we can pen the 40 or so late 2008 calves. Little more to it for us to get late calves. The ABBI doesn't run our business. Not worth the trouble.:pop:

hey bobby why not next dec. you call a real hand like aceofspades over,he'll get them caught,and fast to. why i once heard he shaved brandes,dehorned,gave shots,pulled seman,bandaged a hairy heel wart,pulled blood,had the blood processed,got the papers back,got them fixed right,and cloned the first clone of a clone,in under twenty minutes.but you might not be cowboy enuff to hang with that thang,mabe he'll let you ride in the truck and watch.lol.

[M_Wilfong]

hey bobby why not next dec. you call a real hand like aceofspades over,he'll get them caught,and fast to. why i once heard he shaved brandes,dehorned,gave shots,pulled seman,bandaged a hairy heel wart,pulled blood,had the blood processed,got the papers back,got them fixed right,and cloned the first clone of a clone,in under twenty minutes.but you might not be cowboy enuff to hang with that thang,mabe he'll let you ride in the truck and watch.lol.

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

No doubt, he's a multi tasker. If only we could have gotten Scotty over here while they were still weanlings. :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[spears]

I have 9 as well.

[BloydBuckingBulls]

Just curious, why is that the rule anyway. Why not have to registar them by age 18 months or it goes up? It would keep the culls out.

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[BloydBuckingBulls]

reading these posts make me wonder why I am trying to make a go of it as a breeder. I only run about 25 cows. I had no idea there were that many guys out there having 50+ calves a year.

You'd probably be surprised at how many are having over 100/ year. And there are guys raising that many and you never see their calves winning anything. That's what I can't figure out. Very discouraging.

[BloydBuckingBulls]

Oh, and we registered all of ours in 2008 out of fear. I have so few that it's not a big deal, would have liked to have waited to buck them first though.

[M_Wilfong]

You'd probably be surprised at how many are having over 100/ year. And there are guys raising that many and you never see their calves winning anything. That's what I can't figure out. Very discouraging.

:iagree: You know what's mind boggling to me? To think of how many thousands (could even be in the hundreds of thousands) of bucking calves are raised each year but only 1 world's champion. To get raise one that is a world champion twice is even more rare. Sometimes I scratch my head and think about the odds and how stacked they are against us. Yeah, like many breeders, we've raised some of those that are going to BFT right now, but that ever elusive world champ title is few and far between. You got me wondering the same thing. We raise 100+ a year but the calves don't win much. Yeah, I guess one won the Wild Card, but when we enter classic bulls we hear the ole well we didn't get to see him long enough. I can't figure it out either. Of course you got to enter to win and we quit entering because of the dummy and time change.

[M_Wilfong]

You'd probably be surprised at how many are having over 100/ year. And there are guys raising that many and you never see their calves winning anything. That's what I can't figure out. Very discouraging.

You got me wondering not about the cattleman raising 100+ that don't win anything. After all, cattleman are in the cattle business and if all else fails, can go to town with them. That's why were we're partial to color, solid color that is. What I wonder is how all those people who produce their cattle in a lab, yet still don't win anything, make it work.:confused:

Also wonder since only around 360 less cattle were registered, just according to the handful who replied, how many will pay $250 to reg. 2008 models? The handful who replied to this post are just a drop in the bucket in ABBI bucket of $$$$$$. Only around $14K or so.

[mike carreon]

You got me wondering not about the cattleman raising 100+ that don't win anything. After all, cattleman are in the cattle business and if all else fails, can go to town with them. That's why were we're partial to color, solid color that is. What I wonder is how all those people who produce their cattle in a lab, yet still don't win anything, make it work.:confused:

Also wonder since only around 360 less cattle were registered, just according to the handful who replied, how many will pay $250 to reg. 2008 models? The handful who replied to this post are just a drop in the bucket in ABBI bucket of $$$$$$. Only around $14K or so.

:iagree: To many registering just to put papers and a number with them, doesn't matter how good they are. I have no problem hauling a group to the sale if they don't buck. As tight as the cattle market is already ( and you're right you get docked for spots and horns ) why would I want to go another $25 or $50 in the hole to register them? If I take 10 culls catalogged at $25, thats $250 more I need to make on that group just to break even. If I raise one that stands out I'll bite the bullet then, but heck I already would be ahead of the game....and on a side note if anyone is not hauling a handful to the sale barn they are not being totally honest with themselves, which is only hurting their program. I think the ones producing the " lab " bulls or raising bulls out of $2000 semen sometimes don't want to admit the raised a 5k cull, so the sell em as a breeding bull with papers. Just my $.02

[M_Wilfong]

:iagree: To many registering just to put papers and a number with them, doesn't matter how good they are. I have no problem hauling a group to the sale if they don't buck. As tight as the cattle market is already ( and you're right you get docked for spots and horns ) why would I want to go another $25 or $50 in the hole to register them? If I take 10 culls catalogged at $25, thats $250 more I need to make on that group just to break even. If I raise one that stands out I'll bite the bullet then, but heck I already would be ahead of the game....and on a side note if anyone is not hauling a handful to the sale barn they are not being totally honest with themselves, which is only hurting their program. I think the ones producing the " lab " bulls or raising bulls out of $2000 semen sometimes don't want to admit the raised a 5k cull, so the sell em as a breeding bull with papers. Just my $.02

The people I feel sorry for are the ones that bought those $5K culls. Wonder if, after all said and done, they think it was a good investment.:pokeowned:

[Travis Eckroth]

how many will pay $250 to reg. 2008 models?

:yeahthat:


since I own 50 cows I can afford to reg. at $40, even though I disagree with the "reg. everything" concept, we have several bulls/cows that will never be reg. because they don't need to be.

I'll NEVER PAY $250 to reg. ANY animal I don't care how special the papers may look!!! I have places to get bulls outs and am perfectly satisfied with not dealing with all the BIG SHOTS every weekend.

2008 may be the last time I reg. cattle as well, I haven't seen any benefit yet since 2003, other than sales of some unbucked prospects.

I'm not scared to say, my ABBI competition earnings is $0, my family makes a living in this business, has for 30 yrs and will continue to, but we might eliminate that $40/head expense SOON!!!
:yikes:

[MRRoping]

Melanie im partial to the solid colors to:cheers:

[Flying B]

I just have 3 unregistered here. Bought them after the first of the year so I will wait and see what they are before messing with it now. I am still such a small operator that it's not a big deal to register mine.

[rghstkcwby]

ive got 1 '08 & 1 '07, but thats cuz we wernt ABBI Members till last month...so we will register the stuff we have that is not registered for $40...no matter how old they are.....

[Kris Wells]

I called the abbi office yesterday to see if the 08 calves that i sent in dec had been ran yet . After the lady that answered the phone asked if i had access to the internet and told me that I could look at my inventory on there . I replied that i did have access to the internet but i couldn't look at my inventory because my membership had expired . She then told me i needed to renew it . I then told her I would probably not be renewing my membership . After I told her that she got really snotty and wanted to know why I had registered the cattle I was calling about.

[HGS]

Kris, that's funny, but not funny. I will probably be in the same boat.... Good post Melanie. HS

[5G Farms]

A fundamental misunderstanding of basic business concepts. I think these words were penned by Jeremy Willis. I think he was trying to say he has a better idea of how to run the association. I still contend we are on the right track. Thank You Russ Gant

[Rising Star]

I am a very small operation and only registered the two heifers I plan on using for myself. Sold the others to my neighbors for a hobby. And one bull that I plan on breeding with when he gets older, if he bucks, if he survives, if, if, if. Could be $40. poorly spent. The other five bulls will have to prove themselves worthy of being registered, and if they do, I will bite the bullet and pay it.

I just renewed my membership over the phone, and the lady was pleasant to speak with. Of course, I was giving them money.

[Marshall]

A fundamental misunderstanding of basic business concepts. I thing these words were penned by Jeremy Willis. I think he was trying to say he has a better idea of how to run the association. I still contend we are on the right track. Thank You Russ Gant

On the right track , you say !! :bs: If I thought ya'll were on the right track I would have be a member long ago !! These age time lines , and FINES on age are outragous !!
I am sure all the you folks who like this new FINE , have operations where registering cattle is all you have to worry about . Around here other farming operations , second job and raising children , come before bleeding cattle before December 31 !!
Then the customer service makes folks :sign_cussing: . I have never spoke to YOU but have talked to people at ABBI before , they seemed to care less weather they had my business or not !
To top it off the DNA seems to be a mess ! Why even register if the DNA dosen't add up !
I could go on and on with the problems folks have had with ABBI ! As a non member why would I want to join ?
I do want to say the ABBI has helped the growth of bucking bull breeding ! BUT ! I feel like they could care less what their customers think !
CARRY ON YA'LL ON THE RIGHT TRACK !! the track to a CRASH !

[JeremyWillis]

A fundamental misunderstanding of basic business concepts. I thing these words were penned by Jeremy Willis. I think he was trying to say he has a better idea of how to run the association. I still contend we are on the right track. Thank You Russ Gant

No, I would never be able to run it, I dont have the patience...:o

The track your on may be right for where you want to go but there sure are alot of disguntled customers on it. In theory I would do things quite a bit different (I can provide examples if you like). I know it is your business and I have no say so in it, but since my livelyhood it somewhat dependant on your decisions I will continue to critic them when I see fit.

P.S. Its good to see you post on here.:)

[Shane Adams]

I know a few guys that feel they don't want to play anymore like Jeremy Willis, Kris Wells, Bob Wilfong. I also know a few that will like Russ Gant, Dan Shrimplin, and Keith Strickland. I know each one of these guys personally and they are friends of mine. In both cases you have breeders that cover every size of operation from large to small. They will do what they feel they need to do for whatever reasons they have. All good guys, just different goals.

I know myself and a majority of the other people that are ABBI members **** sure aint rich, have full time jobs, kids, cattle, horses, farms and a whole lot of other things that occupy our time as well. That being said......Hey, everything aint for everybody.

There are a lot of people that have a lot larger operations than I probably ever will have. I have culled and just register what I think are my best. Easy enough. Takes a little time but if you want to have bulls that can go to events then that is what it takes. If you just want to raise bucking bulls to haul down the road then don't register them. Simple enough. You have to make up your own mind what is best for you.

[Marshall]

Marshall,

I know a few guys that feel they don't want to play anymore like Jeremy Willis, Kris Wells, Bob Wilfong. I also know a few that will like Russ Gant, Dan Shrimplin, and Keith Strickland. I know each one of these guys personally and they are friends of mine. In both cases you have breeders that cover every size of operation from large to small. They will do what they feel they need to do for whatever reasons they have. All good guys, just different goals.

I know myself and a majority of the other people that are ABBI members **** sure aint rich, have full time jobs, kids, cattle, horses, farms and a whole lot of other things that occupy our time as well. That being said......Hey, everything aint for everybody.

There are a lot of people that have a lot larger operations than I probably ever will have. I have culled and just register what I think are my best. Easy enough. Takes a little time but if you want to have bulls that can go to events then that is what it takes. If you just want to raise bucking bulls to haul down the road then don't register them. Simple enough. You have to make up your own mind what is best for you.
Shane you are 100% correct ! Simple Enough ! The Question I have is why do's ABBI seem so unwilling to comprimize and work with EVERYONE ! Weather your hauling mature bulls , ABBI competions , selling calves or what ever ?
They could offer affordable correct DNA with out all the hassels and FINES !
Shane , you did not have to take my name off top of your post ! I did not take it personal .

[Keith Strickland]

I KNOW ONE THING IF I WAS THE ABBI AND I READ THESE CONTINUED POSTS OF HOW BAD THEY ARE HOW MANY MISTAKES I WOULD KICK SOME PEOPLE OUT AND WOULD NOT LET THEM REG A DARN THING. IF YOU DONT LIKE IT WHY CONTINUE TO PARTICIPATE! AFTER AWHILE IT GETS OLD, WE ALL KNOW MARSHALL AINT A MEMBER AND WANT EVER JOIN, WILFONGS OR MAD AND WILL GET A DISCOUNT ON 200 HEAD, JERIMIAH IS UPSET OVER THE REQUIRED REG OF CALVES IN THE YEAR OF THEIR BIRTH ETC ETC WE ALL HAVE ISSUES WITH THEM. I JUST ENTERED TWO BULLS IN STEPEHENVILLE, AND WITH THE NEW REQUIREMENT DIRECT DEPOSIT, I OVERNIGHTED A TRANSFER OF A BULL WE HAVE BEEN HAULING FOR TWO YEARS IT WAS MY FOUGHT. THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF THEIR RULES I EITHER LIKED IT OR I DIDNOT ENTER THE EVENT, MY CHOICE AND I CHOSE TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS. REG ALL , NONE, OR SOME OF YOUR CALVES. JOIN, DONT JOIN OR RENEW YOUR MEMBERSHIP IT IS YOUR CHOICE AND YOUR CHOICE ALONE.

[Marshall]

IF IT GETS SO OLD MR. MILKBABY , WHY IN THE WORLD DO YOU READ AND POST REPLY ???? :nana: I MIGHT JOIN IF ABBI COULD OPREATE WITH OUT ALL THE AGE FINES and MESS !!!

[M_Wilfong]

I KNOW ONE THING IF I WAS THE ABBI AND I READ THESE CONTINUED POSTS OF HOW BAD THEY ARE HOW MANY MISTAKES I WOULD KICK SOME PEOPLE OUT AND WOULD NOT LET THEM REG A DARN THING. IF YOU DONT LIKE IT WHY CONTINUE TO PARTICIPATE! AFTER AWHILE IT GETS OLD, WE ALL KNOW MARSHALL AINT A MEMBER AND WANT EVER JOIN, WILFONGS OR MAD AND WILL GET A DISCOUNT ON 200 HEAD, JERIMIAH IS UPSET OVER THE REQUIRED REG OF CALVES IN THE YEAR OF THEIR BIRTH ETC ETC WE ALL HAVE ISSUES WITH THEM. I JUST ENTERED TWO BULLS IN STEPEHENVILLE, AND WITH THE NEW REQUIREMENT DIRECT DEPOSIT, I OVERNIGHTED A TRANSFER OF A BULL WE HAVE BEEN HAULING FOR TWO YEARS IT WAS MY FOUGHT. THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF THEIR RULES I EITHER LIKED IT OR I DIDNOT ENTER THE EVENT, MY CHOICE AND I CHOSE TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS. REG ALL , NONE, OR SOME OF YOUR CALVES. JOIN, DONT JOIN OR RENEW YOUR MEMBERSHIP IT IS YOUR CHOICE AND YOUR CHOICE ALONE.

MB, use your indoor voice, please. :D:D:D

[Shane Adams]

Marshall I was correcting my spelling, I type with two fingers, didn't mean to delete your name. Sorry.

I agree the ABBI has issues. Like I posted before, I sent in 11 and had 7 come back messed up. All but 1 were because of HUMAN error in putting in the information and I would wager most others are because of human error. The human errors are a result, in my opinion, of the domino effect of the deadline. People rushed to get in cards, the ABBI did not "man up" for the surge, people in the office are doing their best but in a hurried manner, and mistakes get made putting in the information. This will probably happen on a more limited case even in slow periods. The ABBI should have expected the rush (kind of common sense) and manned up with maybe temp help, just like Wally World or any other business at X-mas when they expect a rush. Maybe they did but apparently not enough. The errors not only hold up selling of animals, they hold up entries of their own events because of parentage issues and fines for not having parents when entering. This in return costs the ABBI money from loss of transfer fees and money deducted from entries. It's their deal, if the math works out good for them, if not, something else will come along and I will play in that sandbox too.

I am a member of the NBBA also and have been since they started. I, along with Terrell Sullivan and his family, put on a NBBA sanctioned event. One of the first ones they ever did. I was the only one to do so besides their president as a matter of fact. Since then more have popped up and they do pretty well. I don't agree with all they do either but I felt they had a better payback for the entry fee. They don't hold out as much and added money is added money, meaning they don't hold out of the money ADDED to the purse as the ABBI does. What I don't like is the way they do their mouthing for the 3 years olds. I think they could make it somewhat more convenient. Point is, they might not be for everyone just like the ABBI isn't for everyone but maybe they would work for you. Look into that.

Arguments could be made for both as far as not working with everyone....I would hope that either would do what is best for a majority and not a minority or each person individually. I don't see every aspect of the ABBI's business. I can only assume, as a lot of others do, what all takes place. It is a business like any other. NO DIFFERENCE. They have shareholders that agree, some don't and sell out. They have customers that are happy, some indifferent, some are mad that stay customers and some are mad that quit. I know that after I have had my fill of what I feel is a bad business I don't use them. I might comment on them, if asked, but pretty much just wash my hands of them period.

[Shane Adams]

P.S.

Milkbaby quit hollering. It's rude!

:rofl::rofl:

[M_Wilfong]

I KNOW ONE THING IF I WAS THE ABBI AND I READ THESE CONTINUED POSTS OF HOW BAD THEY ARE HOW MANY MISTAKES I WOULD KICK SOME PEOPLE OUT AND WOULD NOT LET THEM REG A DARN THING. WILFONGS OR MAD AND WILL GET A DISCOUNT ON 200 HEAD

Keith, we're like the ABBI. We could care less. If they want to send all the money we've spent on reg. then we'll return all the papers. Wonder if they will take your advice. Doubt they will since they don't take the advice of other customers into consideration. If they did what you propose, that would put somebody in a jam since contractually they owe us close to $100K worth of registrations.

[BobF]

9. It was pouring down rain when we brought them in. Not too good for bleeding. Turned them out and havn't touched them since. That rain cost me $1800 bucks. Doesn't quite seam right but hey, thats the rules I guess. Welcome to raising cattle in Western Washington. Just curious, why is that the rule anyway. Why not have to registar them by age 18 months or it goes up? It would keep the culls out.

If you did that it would make too much sence, and lower the BOTTOM LINE for ABBI.

[Dakota]

Jimmy sure has a lot missing parents on the calves he is selling today also.

[mike carreon]

I KNOW ONE THING IF I WAS THE ABBI AND I READ THESE CONTINUED POSTS OF HOW BAD THEY ARE HOW MANY MISTAKES I WOULD KICK SOME PEOPLE OUT AND WOULD NOT LET THEM REG A DARN THING. IF YOU DONT LIKE IT WHY CONTINUE TO PARTICIPATE! AFTER AWHILE IT GETS OLD, WE ALL KNOW MARSHALL AINT A MEMBER AND WANT EVER JOIN, WILFONGS OR MAD AND WILL GET A DISCOUNT ON 200 HEAD, JERIMIAH IS UPSET OVER THE REQUIRED REG OF CALVES IN THE YEAR OF THEIR BIRTH ETC ETC WE ALL HAVE ISSUES WITH THEM. I JUST ENTERED TWO BULLS IN STEPEHENVILLE, AND WITH THE NEW REQUIREMENT DIRECT DEPOSIT, I OVERNIGHTED A TRANSFER OF A BULL WE HAVE BEEN HAULING FOR TWO YEARS IT WAS MY FOUGHT. THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF THEIR RULES I EITHER LIKED IT OR I DIDNOT ENTER THE EVENT, MY CHOICE AND I CHOSE TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS. REG ALL , NONE, OR SOME OF YOUR CALVES. JOIN, DONT JOIN OR RENEW YOUR MEMBERSHIP IT IS YOUR CHOICE AND YOUR CHOICE ALONE.

Well I for one enjoy reading the posts. I find others opinions informative and sometimes comical. I am not for or against the ABBI. Yes I think they have done a world of good for this industry. My question is why should I join? Show me how it helps, and why it will be money invested wisely in our business and I'm in. I feel this way about all decisions related to our business expenses. I agree with Jeremy, and having to register them is the biggest hang up for me. I feel I would lose to much money being forced to register what could be a cull. The cool thing about this board is I get to hear others opinions and suggestions on the subject. I'm not looking to argue with anyone and suggesting the ABBI take their toys and go home seems unfair to me.

[artman182]

Boy, this stuff is getting redundant. Whether I agree with all of their rules or not, next to televised bull riding I feel the ABBI is the best thing to happen to this sport. Without them and their huge purses, there is no way that I would have been able to talk my wife into buying anything related to bucking bulls. They have done more for our niche industry than can be said, and they consistently get crapped on, day in and day out.

Here's a couple of my thoughts on this:
-If you don't register your calves they are not worth as much, period. Check out the auctions and compare animals that are registered and aren't registered.
-If you don't register your calves you can't compete for the type of purses from the associations that require registrations. I'm not knocking the open deals, I think they are great and a huge plus to our industry, but they don't have the money that the ABBI and NBBA have.
-THIS KEEPS GETTING PASSED OVER IN ALL OF THESE DISCUSSIONS:If you want to give your animal a little time to mature before you try them, you can catalog them at $25. If you do that you won't have to pay the $250 before they're two.

I think there have been some good ideas that come out of these discussions, but the major theme comes back to how awful the ABBI is. One these such ideas is an award for Rookie Breeder of the Year in both the futurity and classic competitions.

Arthur

[M_Wilfong]

Boy, this stuff is getting redundant. Whether I agree with all of their rules or not, next to televised bull riding I feel the ABBI is the best thing to happen to this sport. Without them and their huge purses, there is no way that I would have been able to talk my wife into buying anything related to bucking bulls. They have done more for our niche industry than can be said, and they consistently get crapped on, day in and day out.

Here's a couple of my thoughts on this:
-If you don't register your calves they are not worth as much, period. Check out the auctions and compare animals that are registered and aren't registered.
-If you don't register your calves you can't compete for the type of purses from the associations that require registrations. I'm not knocking the open deals, I think they are great and a huge plus to our industry, but they don't have the money that the ABBI and NBBA have.
-THIS KEEPS GETTING PASSED OVER IN ALL OF THESE DISCUSSIONS:If you want to give your animal a little time to mature before you try them, you can catalog them at $25. If you do that you won't have to pay the $250 before they're two.

I think there have been some good ideas that come out of these discussions, but the major theme comes back to how awful the ABBI is. One these such ideas is an award for Rookie Breeder of the Year in both the futurity and classic competitions.

Arthur

Arthur, you may take this the wrong way but I hope not. Just as you are tired of people, many of whom raise large numbers of calves each year, and who have been doing this for 20 yrs. or so complain about paying more for yearlings believe me, there is a reason for it. Those same people get tired of ones who raise a couple calves a year saying either pay or shut up. There's a little more to it than you could possibly understand unless you have experienced the extra costs first hand. Things that unless have been in the business a while and have registered many calves you just wouldn't understand. I think everybody gets it that reg. cattle bring more $ at sales. What people are saying is this fee structure doesn't help the ABBI or it's customers. How can it help if so many are unhappy? I realize it's no big deal if you've got a small herd to pay a little extra in fees, but when it's costing you thousands of dollars to unknown variables. ie. registering culls, cutting calves deeper than normal because of the higher fees, etc. there's a little more to it than you think. Cataloging is not the answer for our operation. Not feasible. Also, if you are tired of reading about it, SKIP about ABBI registration issues. I know there are all kinds of posts that don't concern me, but instead telling people to shut up, I'm sick of you posting about cattle hauling, feed, etc. I choose not to read the posts that don't interest me.

[JeremyWillis]

Arthur, you may take this the wrong way but I hope not. Just as you are tired of people, many of whom raise large numbers of calves each year, and who have been doing this for 20 yrs. or so complain about paying more for yearlings believe me, there is a reason for it. Those same people get tired of ones who raise a couple calves a year saying either pay or shut up. There's a little more to it than you could possibly understand unless you have experienced the extra costs first hand. Things that unless have been in the business a while and have registered many calves you just wouldn't understand. I think everybody gets it that reg. cattle bring more $ at sales. What people are saying is this fee structure doesn't help the ABBI or it's customers. How can it help if so many are unhappy? I realize it's no big deal if you've got a small herd to pay a little extra in fees, but when it's costing you thousands of dollars to unknown variables. ie. registering culls, cutting calves deeper than normal because of the higher fees, etc. there's a little more to it than you think. Cataloging is not the answer for our operation. Not feasible. Also, if you are tired of reading about it, SKIP about ABBI registration issues. I know there are all kinds of posts that don't concern me, but instead telling people to shut up, I'm sick of you posting about cattle hauling, feed, etc. I choose not to read the posts that don't interest me.
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I agree with this %110. VERY TRUE!!!!!

[JustinCrawford]

:yeahthat: what melanie said

[mike carreon]

I agree Melanie. The thing I don't understand is the guys raising one or two are still losing money if they ship them to the packers. All of which comes from having to register a calf before you get to buck him. It's either a hobby or a business, a lot seem to look at it as a hobby and don't care about spending the money. I realize from the commercial cattle side of our operation just how much attention you have to pay to the details in order to turn a profit.

[rghstkcwby]

for us now at this point it seems more like an expensive hobby than anything else. And i tell ya the added fees sure dont make it easy to do what i love to do & be able to afford the stuff i need to make sure they are given the bet opportunity to mature & perform! i may only have to register 3 or 4 but a difference in $160 & $1000....thats $840 i can find a better way to spend..... i cant begin to imagine how the larger ranches can do what they do & get by....The ABBI has done a lot for this business as everyone has said, but they are also doin alot now that some great bulls or possibly prodicing heifers are being overlooked due to being culled to fast/hard in order to meet the deadlines without penelty...in the long run itll only hurt the industry as a whole...that being said everyone has to do what is best for them & i will continue to register what i feel needs to be when i can & hope for the best.

[Matt Palmer]

Just Glad to know that I am not the only one that will be honest about feelings about the ABBI some people hold a grudge against me for voicing my opinion on here!!!!!!!!:cheers:

[Matt Palmer]

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