DNA Ups and Downs

[Shane Adams]

First I wanted to say thank you to Zach for his help clearing up most of the problems I had with my bloodwork. I know he and the rest got swamped at the end of the year and are doing the best they can.

I still have one problem left. I have an '07 calf that has no sire or dam. Now for you that don't know me I have a VERY small herd of cows now. I went from about 40 and culled over time to the best 13 cows I had. Counting a couple of hfrs I am at 15 not counting recip cows. Also, my pastures have road frontage on most sides and row crops on the others. I can see the argument they give with sires a lot of times. Bulls jumping fence and what not, but in a very controlled environment, with a small herd, I have 100% control over what bulls get near my cows and I know exactly what calf is out of what cow. Question is, if they lab says the blood sample is good how can the calf not come back to AT LEAST his dam?

[bittersweet]

the light came flashing across the sky..and slammed to a stop over that little patch of land where that cow was grazing.:omg: As it hovered there, contemplating with cow should be given the special calf..it chose the dam you speak of..the rest is history!:seeya:

[BuckingStockBroker]

We have a bull that came from Moreno's sale. He came back with no momma. I paid the extra $10 and now he came back to the cow that cindy said it was.
I am not sure how that works. Those folks at the ABBI have a very difficult job trying to keep everyone happy. Thank you to them for getting this bull figured out.

[Shane Adams]

It was an honest question not just a comment. I know someone has had the same thing happen. Any reason for it? Anything else special I can do to alleviate future problems?

[LockeBulls]

I would suggest a voluntary resubmit of a new sample. I have enough trouble keeping my own samples straight. I can just imagine how hard it is for the staff of the ABBI or the staff at the lab to not lose or enter the wrong sample when you have ten thousand plus to manage...Keep trying till they get it right...

[Shane Adams]

That was the problem with the others I had David. Human error, they got the blood on 2 bulls mixed up and it caused mistakes on my calves and others. Domino effect. I did volunteer to send in another sample and was told there seemed to be nothing wrong with the blood and then he said he would have to contact the lab to see what to do. Still waiting on information.

Just frustrated because the one that is the most trouble is the calf I planned on hauling to a few deals. He has been really good. Just aint going to risk an extra $500 an entry on a calf because there was an error with his bloodwork.

[heath74]

I got the same problem shane,only had 6 calves last year and they say my best bull calf that i watched every day from the time it was born until we weaned it doesn' match the dam,makes you wonder sometimes,but i am sure we will get it fixed sooner or later

[JeremyWillis]

I have been told over and over that this is the reason they want you to regsiter them as weanlings. Apparently the earlier you register them the more accurate the DNA is.
:sarcasm:

[Keith Strickland]

one of those white pizza birds that are back riders stepped in some angus bull semen of your neighbors and flew into the uterus of that cow and impregnated her. that is a government answer and you better like it

[Caja Ranch]

Ok here I am maybe being negative again.
I have talked to different DNA places and from what I have found the ABBI needs to go to more markers. This DNA method excludes animals as parents it doesn't find the parent.( If I said that right) Anyway from Chesters post you have them finding the right animal out of a herd after going to more markers for $10. In my opinion you should not have to pay extra. If this is not as wide spread a problem as Russ told me a while ago then, when the problem does arise it would be in the best interest of everyone to just go ahead and redo it at more markers on those problem ones. The ABBI may only make $10 out of that animal instead of $20 but things would be right and that isn't that much to ask. I guess that's just to easy to be logical.

[A&E Rodeo Bulls]

Thats TRUE Jeremy!

[JeremyWillis]

We have a bull that came from Moreno's sale. He came back with no momma. I paid the extra $10 and now he came back to the cow that cindy said it was.
I am not sure how that works. Those folks at the ABBI have a very difficult job trying to keep everyone happy. Thank you to them for getting this bull figured out.


I talked to Chester this morning. In his example. They ran the calf against Moreno's inventory and he came back with no DAM. Chester did some more research and found out the cows #, paid the $10 then reran the calf and he came back to the cow, which WAS in Moreno's inventory.

So, I have a couple questions:

1)Why did his dam not come up when they ran him against the morenos inventory when he did eventually dna back to a cow that was in the morenos inventory?

2)Does he get his $10 back?

3)How ofter does this happen?

4) Is Bernie Madoff setting the fees for the ABBI nowadays?

[Caja Ranch]

If that's the case, what did he pay the 10 dollars for?

[tdteel]

Know a local breeder that had two calves come back with no dam. He called the ABBI and had the calves ran to the other dam. Came back correct. He thinks either the cows swapped calves or someone switched the dams putting them in the computer.